Yes. I said it. I will say it again.
The UFO Classification systems that J. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallée created are obsolete. They are no longer useful or even adequate enough to categorize the continuous growth of UFO phenomena we are experiencing today.
This article will explain why I know this, how I came to this conclusion, and will explain the next level of UFO, Paranormal, and Psychogenic classification.
Let’s start at the beginning.
J. Allen Hynek
Josef Allen Hynek, was an American astronomer, professor, and ufologist. His primary degree was in astrophysics. He is best remembered for his work surrounding the UFO phenomena specifically for his scientific advice relating to the US Air Force’s projects Sign(Grudge) and Blue Book.
In 1972, Hynek published The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry in which he introduced the words “Close Encounter” to describe an event in which a person witnesses an Unidentified Flying Object. It is also in this publication that he introduced what is widely known as the “Hynek’s Scale”
This scale was adopted by the Mutual UFO Network and many other independent civilian data mining research groups around the world. It is still a staple in UFO culture today. So why change it?
One word. Insanity.
A word culturally described as the act of repeating the same method over and over again expecting different results.
We have been using this scale for 49 years, and are no further ahead than when Hynek was in his prime. Hynek set the bar so high, and so well that he inspired the ufology culture we have today, myself included.
I first learned his scale as a Field Investigator for MUFON Canada in 2015, 43 years after it was created. By then I had been a private investigator for 6 years, well versed in evidence categories and classifications in the “real” world. At that time, without knowing what I know now, I believed the scale was inadequate to measure my understanding of the phenomena.
Now, 6 years later I am writing this article with years of experience, research, and evidence to support why the change is required. I will come back to this later in the article. For now, lets focus back on the history for context.
This is Hynek’s legacy. However, just like most of everything in the world today, Ufology and its research have evolved. If we don’t evolve with it, Ufology, as it has been, will die.
The Hynek Scale
The name says it all. It is a scale that Hynek created to assist him in categorizing the phenomena he had reported to him at that time and within that period.
This scale was created 26 years after he worked with the US Airforce and was molded around his work experience. Essentially it was designed to make it easier for him to work and to explain the separation of similar events within the phenomena.
This scale, all though very beneficial to Ufology, was simply his opinion on how these events should be grouped and how they should be rated. An opinion, when backed with his research and evidence, echoed worldwide, and evidently inspired many ufologists today.
The scale is devised of a sixfold classification for UFO sightings arranged according to an increase of proximity. This classification was equally divided into 2 groups. Group A was relatively distant sightings and Group B was relatively close sightings.
Group A consisted of three classes: Nocturnal Lights, Daytime Discs, and Radar-Visual Cases,
whereas Group B consisted of Close Encounters of the First, Second, and Third Kind.
Once the event was classified, it received an evidence rating of 1 through 4. In sequential order, those types of evidence that Hynek considered at the time to be progressively built upon were: Physical Traces, Medical Records, Radarscope Photos and Photographs.
It is important to keep in mind that at this time Hynek had access to information and assistance from the US government. Those records can still be obtained on the civilian side, however, it isn’t as easy as it was for Hynek, walking into work, making the request, then getting it within the same day. This was also a working scale not yet made public until 1972.
In 1973 Hynek founded the private organization Center for UFO Studies and served as the scientific director. CUFOS has two principal activities. First, it maintains a library and archives of UFO-related materials. These materials include books, articles, documents, and sighting reports. Second, the Center supports investigators with research materials.
According to an interview I did with Hynek’s son Paul on March 2 of this year, CUFOS is still actively investigating new reports under the directorship of Mark Rodeghier.
In this interview, I also asked Paul several other questions which I will include as we go on. One of which was asking his opinion on Jacques Vallée’s addition to the Hynek scale. Paul had answered:
“I’m ashamed to admit that even though I know Jacques quite well, I don’t know his scale. Does it have to do with reality transformation?”
Why wouldn’t he know this scale too well? Hmm..perhaps maybe because it was someone else’s opinion added on to his father’s legacy? I don’t have that answer, however, according to the CUFOS website bio for Vallée, his hypotheses were not well received among US ufologists.
Jacques Fabrice Vallée is a computer scientist, engineer, astronomer and ufologist. Vallée co-developed the first computerized map of Mars for NASA in 1963. Vallée is also an important figure in the study of UFOs, first noted for a defense of the scientific legitimacy of the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH) and later for promoting the interdimensional hypothesis. (IDH)
Vallée was born in Pontoise, France in 1939, Vallée moved to the United States in 1962 and began working as a research associate in astronomy under Gérard de Vaucouleurs at the University of Texas at Austin. In 1963, Vallée relocated to Chicago, Illinois. He worked as a systems analyst at nearby Northwestern University while continuing to pursue non-institutional ufological research with his mentor, J. Allen Hynek, the chair of the University’s astronomy department.
By 1969, Vallée, publicly stated that the ETH was too narrow and ignored too much data. Vallée began exploring the commonalities between UFOs, cults, religious movements, demons, angels, ghosts, cryptid sightings, and psychic phenomena. His speculation about these potential links was first detailed in his third UFO book, Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers.
For reference, the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH) proposes that some unidentified flying objects (UFOs) are best explained as being physical spacecraft occupied by extraterrestrial life or non-human aliens, or non-occupied alien probes from other planets visiting Earth.
The interdimensional hypothesis (IDH or IH), is an idea advanced by Ufologists such as Jacques Vallée that says unidentified flying objects and related events involve visitations from other “realities” or “dimensions” that coexist separately alongside our own. It is not necessarily an alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH) since the two hypotheses are not mutually exclusive so both could be true simultaneously. IDH also holds that UFOs are a modern manifestation of a phenomenon that has occurred throughout recorded human history, which in prior ages were ascribed to mythological or supernatural creatures.
The Original Vallée Classification
The original Vallée Classification was comprised of 5 types and a variety of sub-types.
Type 1 was the observation of an unusual object, spherical discoidal, or more complex in form, on or close to the ground (no higher than tree height), which may be associated with traces – physical effects of a thermal, luminous, or mechanical order.
Type 2 was the observation of an unusual object with vertical cylindrical formation in the sky, associated with a diffuse cloud. This phenomenon has been given various names such as cloud-cigar or cloud-sphere.
Type 3 was the observation of an unusual object of spherical, discoidal or elliptical shape stationary in the sky.
Type 4 was the observation of an unusual object in continuous flight.
And Type 5 was the observation of of an unusual object of less definite appearance, appearing not fully material or solid in structure.
We can now see where Paul Hynek was coming from in his answer to my question above. Vallée’s scale was more focused on reality transformation and movement, whereas the Hynek Scale focused on proximity.
Two very different scales, from two very brilliant men, trying to find answers to the objects seen in the sky during, and after the Cold War.
The Current Vallée Classification System
This is Vallée’s attempt to unify his classification system with Hynek’s, and to incorporate those “psychic” or otherwise anomalous reports which he believes have a connection with the UFO phenomenon, and to regularize the classification system.
The keyword above is “attempt”. With Paul Hynek admitting very little knowledge of the Vallée Scale, and the Biography on CUFOS suggesting that Vallée’s ET and ID hypotheses were not welcomed by US Ufologists, it is highly plausible to suggest that CUFOS and the Hynek family acknowledge the ufological efforts of Vallée, but may not entirely be in support of his theories.
Further evidence might suggest this analysis of mine to be true, by the response from Paul Hynek when I asked him what the official relationship was between CUFOS and MUFON. His response to that question was
I think it is safe to say that the relationship is just business, and CUFOS remains as solid as it was in its inception.
However, despite my informed opinion on the relationship, The Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) has adopted the current Vallée classification scale and uses it as part of its field investigator training. The same system I was told to use when training new field investigators as the National Chief Investigator for MUFON Canada, and the Director of Field Investigator Training.
Before I get into my working experience using this classification scale, I want to mention one more significant ufologist that has played a significant part in the design of our new classification scale. A ufologist, whose belief in the paranormal caused so much grief for ufologists alike.
Like Hynek and Vallée, Keel was initially hopeful that he could somehow validate the prevailing extraterrestrial visitation hypothesis. However, after one year of investigations, Keel concluded that the extraterrestrial hypothesis was untenable. Indeed, both Hynek and Vallée eventually arrived at a similar conclusion. According to Ufoevidence.org, Keel wrote:
“I abandoned the extraterrestrial hypothesis in 1967 when my own field investigations disclosed an astonishing overlap between psychic phenomena and UFOs… The objects and apparitions do not necessarily originate on another planet and may not even exist as permanent constructions of matter. It is more likely that we see what we want to see and interpret such visions according to our contemporary beliefs.”
In UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse Keel argues that a non-human or spiritual intelligence source has staged whole events over a long period of time in order to propagate and reinforce certain erroneous belief systems. For example, monsters, ghosts, and demons, the fairy faith in Middle Europe, vampire legends, mystery airships in 1897, mystery airplanes of the 1930s, mystery helicopters, anomalous creature sightings, poltergeist phenomena, balls of light, and UFOs. Keel conjectured that ultimately all of these anomalies are a cover for the real phenomenon.
He used the term “ultraterrestrials” to describe UFO occupants he believed to be non-human entities capable of taking on whatever form they want.
Keel’s 1975 book The Mothman Prophecies was the account of his investigation into alleged sightings in and around Point Pleasant, West Virginia of a huge, winged creature called “Mothman.” The book combines Keel’s account of receiving strange phone calls with reports of mutilated pets and culminates with the December 15, 1967, collapse of the Silver Bridge across the Ohio River.
Furthermore, also in 1975, Keel published The Eight Tower: On Ultraterrestrials and the Superspectrum in which he states the following:
“This superspectrum is the source of all paranormal manifestations from extrasensory perception (ESP) to flying saucers, little green men, and tall, hairy monsters. It is hard to pin down scientifically because it is extradimensional, meaning that it exists outside our own space-time continuum yet influences everything within our reality. “
This one word encompasses all that was attempted to be explained before through the Hynek and Vallée Classification scales, and perhaps this is why Keel was dubbed the “Modern Ufologist”
So why have Ufologists inside and outside of MUFON used the Vallée/Hynek Hybrid Scale even though Vallée, Hynek, and Keel all concluded early 70’s that it was not an accurate tool to measure the totality of the phenomena?
The answer is quite simple. Money, marketing and pure ignorance.
Yes. This is me. But how did I get here? This is one-time when talking about my past is relevant to the resolution.
Here is a quick bio:
In 2005, while working as a chef, I became a private security guard. I cooked all day and guarded on nights and weekends. I did this until 2009 when I was transferred to a private investigation unit within the company I was working for at that time. In 2011, I had the idea of starting my own PI firm, and with that, I pursued further education.
I attended Fleming College in Peterborough, Ontario, Canada and graduated from Police Sciences. I majored in criminology, political science, psychology, and criminal justice. I specialized in crime scene recreation and evidence collection. This was all accomplished while working 2 jobs, and being the frontman for my college band.
In 2013 I moved back to my hometown in Midland, Ontario, Canada, and continued working as a cook and a freelance private investigator.
In 2015, my wife and I founded our private investigation and security firm Black Light Investigative and Surveillance Services. WIthin this same year, I received an investigation request to locate a missing person believed to be “abducted by aliens”
After a thorough investigation, I located my client’s son in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, safe and sound. He was not abducted, however, he has secluded away from his family as a member of the Church of Scientology. He is now out, and home with his mother.
During this investigation, as part of the locate process, I joined several UFO and Paranormal reporting groups. I had to learn the culture in order to trace leads on this POI (person of interest).
Even though the investigation was over, I was still a part of these groups and frequently engaged in the conversation. At one point, a post had been made complaining about an organization stealing money from him and was requesting help on getting the money back. I responded, identified myself as a licensed PI, and we started chatting offline.
It was then I learned that he had purchased a manual for $200.00 US from The Mutual UFO Network. He wanted to become a Field Investigator for the organization and investigate UFOs. At this point, I had only heard of MUFON from the one episode on the X-Files back in the day. I had no knowledge of what it was at this point. All I knew is that there was a potential crime, and I had to resolve it for this person.
I contacted MUFON National and was redirected to the National Director for MUFON Canada. His name was Stu Bundy. When we connected, I had a short conversation about the alleged theft, and he quickly explained the situation as a misunderstanding and that the manual was on its way. Delays had been expected because it was purchased and being sent from the US to Canada.
After that, Stu, being the businessman that he was at that time, engaged in a healthy conversation with me about Ufos. He took interest in my investigation credentials and heavily suggested I get involved with his Ontario team of Field Investigators. So, I bought the manual, took the course, and became a Field Investigator in November 2015.
With all my experience prior to taking this test, I did find the test to be very easy and redundant at the time, however, I did understand that it was designed to be an easy read for all audiences within the civilian ran volunteer organization.
I have given my first case shortly after and was instructed to close it as a historic case, due to the age of the event. Seeing as I was an active PI, and I wanted to impress the organization, I did quite the opposite. I followed every lead I could find, and as a result, after many other investigations completed the same way, I was promoted to Chief Investigator for Ontario in early 2016.
By 2017 I was promoted to the Provincial Director of Ontario and was named the Assistant Chief Investigator for the Country of Canada. It was this year that MUFON National noticed my work. They decided to make my first case a featured case for the MUFON Journal.
This was a pretty big deal for MUFON Canada. Recognition from MUFON National was not something very common. This moment, defiantly gave MUFON Canada some well-deserved attention.
As time went on, MUFON National put out a job posting for a new Director of Field Investigator Trainer. Stu, who had been mentoring me the entire time, encouraged me to apply for the position. I did. It was a very long and difficult process, comprised of security checks, personality tests, and exams. However, eventually, I was awarded the position in February 2018. Another feather in the cap for Team Canada. I was also the first international functional board member for the organization and I was the only, which will be explained later.
As the Director of Field Investigator Training (DFIT), I was responsible for the training, and teaching of all Field Investigators within the organization. Including inspection and revisal of the MUFON Manual as needed, and organization of the curriculum of the extended learning courses on MUFON University.
At this time, my Private Investigation firm was 2 years old and business was going well. I had completed over 1000 MUFON investigations internationally alongside the professional investigations I was hired to do with my company. Also, it’s important to recall that at the time of entering MUFON in 2015, I had already pointed out flaws and inconsistencies in the manual. Since I was made DFIT and assumed the responsibility to educate the entire organization, I took the role seriously considering the manual hadn’t been updated or revised since 2013.
This is when it all started to fall apart.
The Fight For Change Begins
Now, it is important to know although Team Canada was happy, and Jan Harzan selected me, the current team USA was not thrilled with having an “outsider”.
Our weekly national meetings consisted of Director of Investigations Steve Hudgeons, STAR Team Director Chase Kloetske, myself, and Executive Director Jan Harzan, and it wasn’t long before Chase and Steve started having side conversations with Jan about my “new” way of thinking.
Off the hop, I addressed a plethora of inconsistencies in not just the manual but the content of the university and the case management system. I provided solutions and updated material etc, to make a change easy. Jan was quite pleased with my efforts, so he said at least, and had encouraged me to continue working on improvements. The other two had their noses out of joint for whatever reason.
As I was revising everything, it got to the point where the word Paranormal came up, and boy did that ever blow a gasket for Chase and Steve. Just for thinking Paranormal could be connected to Ufology, Steve resulted in insults and racist remarks towards me. Thankfully, I am well versed in the law and the manual bylaws that it took a whole 10-minute conversation with Jan Harzan alone to convince him to remove Steve from the executive team. Jan ended up re-assigning Steve to the International Director of Investigations and was no longer included in our meetings.
This inadvertently made Chase Kloetzke the new Director of Investigations by default.
Now at this point, MUFON had just made a deal with To The Stars Academy in securing a public speaking event with Lou Elizondo at the MUFON Symposium. Things were blowing up in Ufology.
Chase and I had the privilege of seeing the Tik Tack video in raw format without watermarks. It was quite the thing.
Now, while all this was going on, Chase felt the need to talk to me separately outside of the group calls with Jan. Chase had divulged to me that she wanted Jan to be removed as Executive Director. She was eager to assume the throne. She asked me if I would be her Director of Investigations when that happened. I told her no, then I told Jan.
Well, guess what? Chase was pissed with me too. That turned into a bunch of hateful emails back and forth and ultimately lead me to resign from the Directorship. I went back to Team Canada because none of that had anything to do with Ufology.
When I went back to Canada, Stu Bundy had resigned from National Director and promoted Marc St Germain in his stead. I was promoted to National Chief Investigator for Canada.
Also, now that I was back in Canada, the lovely Steve Hudgeons, who was demoted from National to International DOI, was actually in fact my superior since Canada was an international team.
Oops. I didn’t think that one through, and boy did he have a hard-on for me.
Essentially we continued where we left off. The discussion of Paranormal in Ufology. This went on far too long, but long enough to hear him say, “Paranormal Doesn’t Make Me Money”
And that…that is the moment I knew I was done with MUFON.
Shortly after that, I went public about this on my youtube channel Uncharted Case Files. I stretched it out for as long as I could before Marc St Germain removed me and tried to ghost me from the organization in 2018.
The Resolution Begins
In December that year, I created The Experiencer Support Association (TESA)
TESA is my positive response that expresses how I feel Ufology should be done given my background and experience being involved within the industry.
TESA is a UFO/Paranormal Investigation and Research Association. Built on the curriculum I set out to accomplish as the Director of Field Investigator Training for MUFON. What I am doing with TESA is what I tried to do with MUFON as DFIT but was unable to because of greed and arrogance.
I am still the Director of Field Investigator of Training, only now, I am making myself available to educate and assist the entire world and am no longer limited to MUFON.
The Future of UFO, Paranormal and Psychogenic Investigations
It has been almost 3 years since I left MUFON and started TESA, and if you are reading this, you understand the struggle. Now that I have your attention, it is time for a change.
Early this year, with the assistance of Tim Morrison, I had created a working model of a new classification scale that enhances the current Vallée scale, while including the Hynek scale and paying tribute to Keel’s superspectrum theology.
The scale has been in service for 3 months now and has been working quite well to categorize all phenomena types within the UFO, Paranormal, and Psychogenic experiences. It is designed in such a way that all investigators and researchers from any discipline, including Cryptozoology, can use this scale. It is no longer limited to Ufology.
As mentioned earlier in this article, these scales were designed to assist the individual people in their work, to help categorize events that fit within their hypothesis. The use of the scales within UFO and Paranormal studies is not mandatory. However, if you are a Type A researcher or investigator, and know that all phenomena are connected, then you are free to use our scale in your research. We are releasing it FREE to the public domain.
And remember, this is my opinion that this is how we should investigate the phenomena, and I intend to tour and teach as many investigators as I can how to use this new model. Only time will tell, like the legends I have mentioned before me, if I am on to something.
Take it or leave it. We are using it, with or without you.
The Ultraspectrum Classification System (USCS)
This system has 2 groupings that work with each other. The top group identifies our proximity level while establishing a level of supporting evidence. The bottom group identifies root word categories designed to remove archetypical labels so that all communities can agree on one category, and leaving each faction to their own interpretation on the belief of what the event may be or how it was caused.
Let’s start with the top grouping:
First off, we have stopped using the word Encounter. The word implies a negative event. In our studies over the last 3 years, we have collected enough data that shows that majority of the events reported are considered positive, so instead we are using the word Experiencer to provide an unbiased and neutral expression of every event.
Building off of Hynek’s Close Encounter (Our Close Experience) model, we have added additional proximities to reflect other distances.
- Extreme Close Experience (ECE)
- Close Experience (CE)
- Remote Experience (RE)
- Mental Experience (ME)
Moving along, you will have to select a sub-class of either (A) Uninvited or (B) Invited. In our research, we have noticed that there has been a variance between unexpected events and intentional invited events. Both of which must be investigated differently.
Once the class has been established based on proximity and the experiencer’s intent, we then apply a level rating based on the strongest or best piece of evidence that can reinforce the witness testimony.
Level 1 – Method in which event was sensed.
Level 2 – Trace Evidence
Level 3 – Material Evidence
Level 4 – Corroboration
Level 5 – Contact
Within these levels of evidence, there are subtypes designed to define specifically the type of evidence collected. Also, it is important to note that with this scale, the CE-5 adaptation from Dr. Steven M. Greer can still be used properly. We are of the opinion that human-initiated contact with back and forth communication is the highest level of evidence we currently can receive with minimal argument.
I will note at this time, that Greer got flack for altering the Hynek/Vallée scale at the beginning. Look at him now.
Moving on to the bottom grouping:
This group is the most important. This is the group we use to properly classify an event after it has been investigated. Over the years, many people have been raised separately and differently with beliefs and ideas around the phenomena. These groups are designed to organize the phenomena into 5 main categories that can be equally accepted by anyone who investigates either the UFO, Paranormal, or Psychogenic phenomena. It even applies to crypto and paracryptozoology.
1. Sensory Display – It has been determined by our research that both the UFO and Paranormal phenomena can be observed by triggering any of the five human senses, including the sixth psychic sense. Regardless of the archetype, you believe it to be, we all can agree that the event has triggered at least one of our senses before its display.
The Sensory Display category is divided into 2 types. Aerial Activity and Paranormal Activity. The event either took place in the sky or somewhere else. This is important for investigating Orbs, as they belong in both categories depending on the individual’s belief. Regardless, all parties will have to agree that the sensory display was Aerial Activity.
Going further down the line on Aerial Activity, we have 2 sub-types. Machine and Light. In the ufology world, this translates to UFOs and UAPs.
It is very important that we do not label anything until it is properly investigated, and even then, we must be careful not to misidentify any event.
The same can be done with the Paranormal Acitivty Type.
2. Visitation – with the variance between negative and positive perceptions we must take in consideration that some of these events occur mentally, and need to be investigated differently then those receiving physical visitation. Also , like encounter, we chose to use the word Visitation over Abduction to remove the stigma that all visitations are intended to be harmful to the experiencer.
The sub-type for this category is a choice between Uninvited and Invited. This is important to note when working with someone familiar with meditation or astral projection techniques.
3. Beings Observed – this category houses three subtypes: Cryptids, Paracryptids, and Entities. We have created the paracrpytid type to separate the archetypical monster from possible biological creatures yet to be discovered. Currently, we do not have subtypes for these entities, however, we do plan to add them in the future once we have investigated more events in this category.
4. Psychogenic – is a category to group events that occur within the mind. Events so real with corroborating pieces of evidence that can be verified. This category is essential for our experiencers who may have developed or are developing psychic abilities. Even though we can’t see into the mind, at least with this category, we can now group the ones with strong evidence and actually include parapsychology in our research. The types measured in this category are either external or internal affects, meaning there psychic phenomena was done either telepathically or telekinetically.
Sub types will be added in the future after we gather more data.
5. Residual evidence – This category groups any event that leaves traces behind. This includes implants, markings, crop circles and even animal mutilation in some cases.
Again, we don’t know who or what is causing the phenomena, which is why we are measuring the events and the evidence. In the future, we plan to re-classify the sub-types.
Why should you care?
Honestly, you shouldn’t. It really doesn’t matter what we do, or what we say or think. This is only our method and way of tackling this phenomena.
Our intent, however, is to have this catch on to a new group of investigators that we will be training under our Academy of Ufology and Paranormal Studies program.
Evidently, with the way the world is today, the ufology community will not immediately understand this evolution, but some have already started to evolve.
As for the paranormal and psychogenic communities, this is the first time in history, that you have a classification scale that you can use professionally side by side with Ufologists. If we work together, we can show these Type B Ufologists that investigating paranormal and psychogenic events simultaneously with UFOS and extraterrestrial phenomena is a giant leap forward to solving this riddle.
From my perspective, we have 3 factions working hard alone. The theory is, if we work together, we will find the answers faster.
Let me remind you all that the word Paranormal simply means not normal, which means technically, unidentified flying objects are paranormal.
If you are a Ufologist reading this, ask yourself if you are doing what you do to find answers for yourself, or are you doing this to find answers for the world? That’s the difference between Type A and Type B. The world is full of B. We need more type A.
If you don’t know how to blend the phenomena, don’t worry, we do. Our work and research can be found by clicking here.
J. Allen Hynek, Wilbert B. Smith, and John A. Keel are deceased. Jacques Vallée has not responded to my interview requests and neither has Keel’s immediate family. Also, Jan Harzan is now in jail, leaving Paul Hynek as the only source available who has given me the green light to start a new generation of Ufology and Paranormal Research.
Let’s go back to the interview with Paul Hynek.
Ryan Stacey: Is the Center of UFO Studies still actively investigating new and current UFO reports?
Paul Hynek: Yes.
RS: Who is leading the organization today?
PH: Mark Rodeghier.
RS: Does CUFOs currently have a Canadian Equivalent? If Yes, who and what do you think about them. If no, after reviewing the website www.tesacan.org – how would you rate the efforts completed by the organization compared to what you’ve experienced before? Our work specifically can be found here www.tesacan.org/data
PH: I don’t know of a Canadian equivalent. You look solid.
RS: What is the official relationship between CUFOS and MUFON?
PH: Loose affiliates.
RS: How do you feel about Vallee’s Scale added to the Hynek classification scale and do you think that that scale is still efficient today with the current advancements in ufo studies?
PH: I’m ashamed to admit that even though I know Jacques quite well, I don’t know his scale. Does it have to do with reality transformation?
RS: What are your beliefs on UFO and Paranormal? Are they connected?
PH: I believe there are UFOs, and I lean towards a possible inter-dimensional origin.
RS: How do you and your family feel about TESA creating a new classification system that can be used to categorize and classify UFO and Paranormal events as they have evolved over the years of research?
PH: Many have tried. Your TESA scale is quite interesting. Do we need to distinguish between ECE and CE? And you may want to just stick with CE to start. Introducing RE and ME makes it that much harder for others to adopt. And how do we really know whether an incident was a CE or ME? Even with the utility of your proposed scale, it’s just going to be really hard to get people to adopt it, I suspect. If you’re looking to have TESA be viewed as the Canadian equivalent of CUFOS, I think that’s an entirely reasonable and laudable goal. I’m actually looking to change the Wikipedia definition of CE 6 as I don’t think it’s consistent in nature with the others.
RS: Are there any concerns or challenges that we might face in doing so?
PH: I think the CE scale isn’t perfect, but it’s so widely used at this point. To disrupt it is a big lift.
RS: How do you feel about the entire ufology and paranormal community using this new scale? Do you think MUFON would adapt to this change? Why? Why not?
PH: I don’t think MUFON or other organizations will readily adopt it. Too much effort to incorporate something they didn’t develop. I know MUFON quite well, and like other entities in UFOLOGY, they are in their own silo.
RS: Do we have your permission to enhance your father’s Close Encounter Scale as we have in our new Classification scale?
PH: It’s not my permission to give. It’s in the public domain. If you’re passionate about it, go for it my friend! Don’t let anyone dissuade you. I’ve got a lot on my plate, and for me, tweaking CE 6 is good enough.
MUFON Arizona’s Assistant State Director Shane Hurd and I had discussed the need for change and working with TESA as an expert outside of MUFON as seen in this video here. Additionally, we challenged the Hyenk Scale and its use today in this video here, leaving Shane convinced that our scale needs to be adopted.
If that’s not enough….
If anyone wants to interview me on this with either good or bad intentions. I am available and ready for whatever comes at me. The fight is over. Change is now.